>>5446
That was a quote though.
>>5412
>If you want to train yourself to get "better orgasms" then by all means go ahead. In that case you are merely postponing an immediate desire in order to enhance it.
Oversimplification. Mastering desire is not just postponing. Its about taking control of a sensation, nurturing it, exploring it, being able to control it and bend it to your will. Its like breaking a horse so you can have fun riding it.
>The person I was talking to was not just referring to a repression of sexual desire but of desire in general as a lifestyle and as a means to enhance the spirit (like "enlightenment"), which is undoubtedly a religious perspective.
What's wrong with a religious perspective? I resent that. Its not a religious perspective because there are plenty of secular NASA scientists who've never touched a human female that rationalize their unhealthy sexuality by feeding us some rationalist argument for it. I bet most of the no fap freaks aren't even religious.
>your idea of being "mastered" by your pleasures is also an argument built on the conception of desire existing outside of me and my will i.e being imposed on me.
The objects of your desire usually are outside of you, unless you're one of those freaks who jerks off in front of a mirror
Like maybe only mainstream Christianity and Buddhism are explicitly anti-desire. Even then its pretty overblown. The whole "religion represses sexuality" meme.
>My desires and pleasures are just as much a part of me as any other thought, so I don't see any reason not to indulge in myself completely and enjoy myself as much as I want.
So if you take a bunch of chems and start seeing angels that tell you to rape and murder people with an axe you'd indulge in that? Drama aside the problem with human desire is it can never be satiated. We always want something and once we get it we end up disappointed and chase after something else. Porn is a good example. People search for the video they like, jerk off in like 30 seconds, feel shitty about themselves, and then start surfing for videos again. Rinse and repeat.
There's a reason people used to emphasize chastity and self-control. Its not just practical as society has few resources but it also prolongs the sensation of pleasure. Using Taoist techniques and Christian gnostic sexual alchemy leads to way better jerk off sessions than fapping one out in 30 seconds. A Taoist master would still tell you that jerking it whenever you just feel like it all the time will make your masturbation shorter, weaker, and less of a thing you actually look forward to or really enjoy. Its the difference between wolfing down fast food whenever you get the itch and preparing a gourmet meal you'll really enjoy.